Sunday, September 10, 2006

IAMS Tortures Animals

You're not feeding your animal companion IAMS, I hope??

http://www.iamscruelty.com/investigation.asp

18 Comments:

Blogger Jamie Goodwin said...

I have a hard time swallowing just about anything PETA puts out there.

Their "cult-like" following, coupled with their silly stunts just do not lend to any amount of credibility.

Penn and Teller say it best

23:38  
Blogger Chalicechick said...

That's a really good video, Jamie, I didn't intend to watch the whole thing, but I did.

From not fully understanding the issue, to being willing to use extreme tactics to hypocrisy, that nicely captures the issues that I've had with a lot of activist groups.

Of course, the show played right to my sympathies with going to PETA's tax returns.

I'm sure the Penn and Teller version cuts a few corners with the truth itself as propaganda will. Micheal Moore has probably ruined the documentary as a medium.

CC

06:49  
Blogger PeaceBang said...

It's not just PETA, Jamie. It's been all over the news. Google it. Very disturbing stuff.

I'm not a fan of PETA, either. I am, however, a fan of dogs and cats.

11:48  
Blogger powderblue said...

Jamie,

Granted, some of PETA’s tactics to draw attention to the suffering that humanity inflicts on other beings are debatable, and they are debated – inside and outside of PETA.

It does, though, have an excellent reputation for accuracy. That’s why the animal-exploiting industries focus their attacks on the characters of PETA’s members and their communication style rather than the content of PETA’s reporting, which they of course prefer not to talk about.

I know some PETA volunteers. I’ve seen a lot of dedication, but I’ve not found any of them to be “cult-like”. Maybe you’ve met some that deserve that epithet. If so, I believe they are much in the minority.

You may be interested in another advocacy organization that is well-respected and does not use PETA’s attention grabbing tactics, Vegan Outreach www.veganoutreach.org.

12:44  
Blogger LaReinaCobre said...

I read all of the files on IAMS from PETA, and I'm curious where exactly one would disagree with their findings. They seem to have a lot of documentation. It's easy to make fun of PETA, but in the meanwhile, who is advocating for and trying to save these animals?

12:48  
Blogger Jamie Goodwin said...

Oh I have no doubt some abuses took and are taking place. Shame on IAMS i say.. fine the hell out of them.

No one is saying that abusing animals is a good thing. And no one is saying there are not people out there who do so.

Of course PETA themselves euthinanize animals they take in.. I for one do not know how to draw the line.

For instance, in PETA's eyes keeping any animal in a cage is abuse. Any evidence of limping or poor hygene is considered abuse (I have no idea where IAMS gets thier animals but I would suspect that many where probably actually rescued from Humane Societies) which would explain a lot of this "so called" abuse.

powderblue: tactics like fire bombs? like destroying personal and public property? Those are not tatics.. that is terrorism. The problem with the good people who are PETA volunteers is that they have no clue how screwed up this organization is.

Hafidha: There are many, many credible organizations out there who are advocating for animals. In my mind the vast majority of them are sensible, caring, responcible people. PETA is not, and in fact takes credibility away from other good, hard working organizations with their zeal.

CC: I love Penn and Teller Bulls**t, yeah I am sure they cut corners, but I still love 'em.

17:32  
Blogger Chalicechick said...

Between their, I think mean-spirited and rather nasty, statements about Steve Irwin and their habit of pressuring celebrities so heavily that the celebrities can't stop wearing fur without looking like they are caving in, PETA is their own worst enemy.

Which doesn't mean they aren't correct about Iams.

Here's a list of cruelty-free pet food makers.

CC

19:22  
Blogger Matthew said...

I know a lot people who are iams employees. They all love pets and do everything they can to make good pet food and not hurt any pets. Take a look at http://www.iamstruth.com/. A big problem with PETA is that even if there was an issue in the past with IAMS subcontractors and IAMS finds out about it and fixes it, they are never freed of the campaign. Crazy.

20:12  
Blogger Chalicechick said...

PowderBlue,

I wanted to argue this out with TheCSO before I brought it up, but both of us were on the same side.

Pointing out, that, for example, one of the PETA bigwigs is diabetic and uses insulin made from animal products, is not a character assasination.

I have a real problem with her apparent attitude that animals shouldn't die to save OTHER people's lives, but as long as they are dying for PETA bigwigs, that's OK.

21:54  
Blogger LaReinaCobre said...

I still feel that arguing about PETA is missing the point, but maybe I'm just out of it.

01:51  
Blogger Chalicechick said...

I conceded the point that for all I know PETA is substantially correct about Iams. (Though it's probably worth noting that the list of "Cruelty-free" pet food makers includes no pet food you can get in the grocery store.) , so apparently many pet food makers have something to answer for.)

But PETA so nicely sums up much of what I dislike in activism that it was hard to let comments like "That’s why the animal-exploiting industries focus their attacks on the characters of PETA’s members and their communication style rather than the content of PETA’s reporting, which they of course prefer not to talk about." pass.

Maybe I should have.

CC
who will move this discussion to her own blog now.

07:09  
Blogger Chalicechick said...

Ps. The idea that the "cruelty-free" list of pet foods includes vegan food so you can force your dog to live on vegan food seems somewhat ironic to me.

In all fairness, the only dog I've ever seen who was being raised vegan seemed like a happy dog.

07:14  
Blogger powderblue said...

CC,

I’m not certain why you directed your comment about the PETA bigwig who uses insulin to me. I know nothing about it. I’m not a spokesperson for PETA. Personally, I think at times PETA could use its resources more effectively.

It’s my understanding that most if not all insulin used by diabetics is synthetic, which partly accounts for the fortunes of Genentech and Novo Nordisk.

Regarding Jamie’s earlier post, I don’t believe PETA has ever sanctioned the use of firebombs or the destruction of public or personal property, nor do I think it believes these tactics advance its mission in any way.

I do know some Unitarian Universalists who work for PETA, including the Manager of Vegan Campaigns. If you would like to get together with Jamie and post at your site some of the main failings of PETA that you believe to be true or have heard about, I would be glad to ask her to reply at your site. I think it may be a good free and responsible search for truth and meaning project.

07:27  
Blogger Chalicechick said...

PB,

I responded to you because you were the only one to actively defend PETA. Everyone else said, more or less, that the problems of PETA were not relevant to the truth of their claims.

But I moved this to my blog.

CC

08:56  
Blogger PeaceBang said...

Hey counselor, there's two PBs on here. For a second there I thought that you were saying that *I* defended PETA. Maybe I can be PB and PowderBlue can be PBlue.

10:31  
Blogger PeaceBang said...

Hafidha, I could NOT agree with you more. It always amazes me how some people will take every call to awareness and justice as an opportunity to pick a fight about the reliability of a spokesperson or messenger. It keeps a LOT of things from getting done.

Who asked about PETA in the first place? This is about animals. To me, the most useful comment on here is from the guy who suggests that there's new management and the problems may have been addressed at IAMS. ACTUAL INFO on the ACTUAL ISSUE.

10:41  
Blogger Chalicechick said...

According to PETA's site, IAMS has claimed that before and it has been untrue. The site Matthew pointed to is Iams' own site.

And I do think it is reasonable to consider the source. After all, we live in a photoshop/Micheal Moore world where evidence can be altered or taken out of context by anyone with an agenda and often is.

Every Vet I've ever had has reccommended Iams, so my guess is that all this research produces really good pet food. But I don't really know.

CC

11:22  
Blogger PeaceBang said...

It's just that a simple Google of "IAMS animal abuse" yields dozens and dozens of hits like this one http://www.moggies.co.uk/html/iams.html
that don't refer back to the PETA investigation. And it doesn't take long to do that little bit of research before launching into a tirade against PETA (which, as I said, is not my favorite organization).

20:50  

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