Thursday, June 08, 2006


So I talk to this guy from on the phone last night. I'm curious as to his apparent interest in chatting, as he says on his profile that he "definitely" wants kids, and even specifies the number (3). I have told him that he's a cutie and all, but I'm not planning on making babies with anyone. Also, he's 32 and I figure I'm too old for him.

Still, he's interesting, he wanted to be a priest until he was 25, he does comedy and writes screenplays, he seems like an intelligent guy. We probably have enough material for an interesting conversation.

So he calls. He is intelligent, he's a good conversationalist, he's really interested in talking religion, he's a serious Catholic but says liberal things about women and gays in the priesthood, he asks good questions about UUism, he's not nervous, he seems like a person it might be fun to meet for coffee. I don't like how often he refers jokingly to the Catholic Church as "the one true faith," but I figure maybe we can date once or twice before that attitude drives me crazy.

"By the way," he says. "I don't know what I put in my profile, but I could care less about having kids." I tell him, "Well, it's in your profile that you definitely want children." He then says, and I quote, "You've got to say that if you want to get laid." I play along, joking about the sensitive father vibe that women are looking for and he spills it all out, because he thinks he's found a kindred spirit in lying to women in me: "Oh yea, you act all interested while the women are around, pay a lot of attention to the kid," etc. We chuckle.

Now, I know he's joking. I know he's a sarcastic dude, and a comedian. I know he really isn't a vile bastid. But here's the thing: he's a serious Catholic. He's falsely advertising on that he really wants kids. He's out there trolling hard for chicks, by his own admittance. He identifies himself as Catholic on his profile, so could be assumed to be attracting Catholic women who want a Catholic husband and children.

Yet he claims that in truth, he doesn't want kids. Which says to me that this former priest wanna-be intends to get into relationships with attractive women just to, in his words, "get laid." As a serious Catholic, might I assume that his attitudes toward contraception and abortion are in keeping with his Church's official position? Or is he, rather than a "serious Catholic," a seriously hypocritical Catholic who uses contraception with all those babes ("girls" in his language) he's reeling in on in defiance of his Church's teachings? In which case, why all the obvious fervency about the One True Faith underneath all the joking around about it?

Oh, by the way, he holds the utmost disdain for "lightweight" and "Chinese menu" approaches to religion like the UUs often have (and I concur with him on this, except I'm not the one saying this and then contradicting my church's official doctrine on, like four important issues within my first conversation with a total stranger).

I can see lying about your height on, or about your weight or how much money you make. But to lie about one of the most important aspects of a committed relationship in order to get booty is just gross. I'm sure that Father Paul wouldn't think so, but I think it's just as unethical in some ways to lie on a singles dating site about wanting children as it is to lie about your marital status. In both cases, you're identifying as someone who's available for a relationship whose basic components you have no intention of fulfilling.

Of course it may be that he really does want three kids and he was just lying to me because he thought I might potentially be a tasty morsel. None of the options are good.

Meanwhile, there's a funny guy who writes me a mash note and who apparently wants to keep the red-headed population thriving. I respond by saying "aren't you sweet" but (1) I don't intend to contribute to the population and (2) my red hair is, how shall we put it, not entirely authentic. He says, "Well, maybe we can just meet and smooch!" and tells me he's going back out on to find a mother for his children. His religion? Nothing. His honesty? Totally appealing.

I'm particularly grateful today to be a member of a religious faith that contends that religiosity is no guarantor of ethical decency. Religiosity, I could do without. Religion, I'm still interested in.

Best comment I heard lately about our O.W.L.* program? "Man, it totally ruined me for meaningless sex!"

(O.W.L. = Our Whole Lives, a comprehensive sexuality curriculum taught in our churches)


Blogger fausto said...

Sounds like a confused and not entirely self-aware dude. He displays enough candor in some respects to suggest that he doesn't appreciate the consequences of his dishonesty in other respects.

Blogger Chalicechick said...

Yeah. What Fausto said.


Blogger Errantfrogs said...

I love your comment about OWL being the antidote for meaningless sex. It reminds me of the time I suspected that our teenage son was experimenting with alcohol. Instead of grounding him for life, we took him out to lunch to "talk about how we all our approaching our drinking these days." It was hard at first, but then he opened up. Then we, the parental units talked about when we drink, what age we started, how we had gotten into trouble at various times, and the dangers that worry us about teen drinking. At the end of lunch he said, "Gee, thanks Mom and Dad. You've just took all the fun out of sneaking around and drinking with my friends." We didn't condone or give permission; we just discussed, talked ethics and responsibility, reset some critical boundaries, and let him know we're paying attention. Then again, I have one of those great UU kids who just seems to get it so much of the time. Or he's doing a great schmooze job.

Blogger Bill Baar said...

Do be careful who you're meeting. This sounds bad.

I went into Dad mode reading this post and you transformed into one of my daughters.

...I stopped at about the second para and had a long chat with you in my head.

Blogger Painter Beach Girl said...

that is very funny, about the two guys. catholic man who beams about having wanted to be a priest, but wants to get laid...have kids, not have kids, my goodness...he doesnt quite know who he is!! The other guy sounds funny but kids is a big problem if you are on two sides of wanting or not wanting them!

Still, I have laughed well on this ! Good luck!


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