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Sometimes I think that the problem is that most of...

2005-12-12T19:52:00.000-05:00

Sometimes I think that the problem is that most of us don't recognize tolerance (or intolerance) when we see it.
If I feel that I should be tolerant of ideas I don't agree with, but that I can still disagree with them, what does that mean in practise? what does it look like to respectfully disagree with someone's ideas? What happens if I think I am disagreeing respectfully and they don't

I'm not sure you should take that as an affirmatio...

2005-12-12T01:14:00.000-05:00

I'm not sure you should take that as an affirmation, Robin.

'We' includes you, and 'those people' includes them.

EA indeed said "in their right mind"and so I was i...

2005-12-09T14:16:00.000-05:00

EA indeed said "in their right mind"
and so I was indeed talking about those who are.
It was widely reported that the old Soviet Union believed that anyone who questioned authority were not in their right mind - however the courts in the USA generally accept the idea that if you know the consequences of your behavior, you are in your right mind.
Glad you knew my "prey" comment

What about the victims of various kinds of injusti...

2005-12-09T13:31:00.000-05:00

What about the victims of various kinds of injustices and abuses whose repeated requests for justice, equity and compassion are repeatedly rejected by the perpetrators and indeed the perpetuators of the injustices and abuses?

We should heal those people.

" Who in their right mind doesn't want to be heale...

2005-12-09T06:41:00.000-05:00

" Who in their right mind doesn't want to be healed? Prey tell. . ."

(i hope you mean "Pray Tell" - as "prey tell" would evoke a different answer)

but
lots of people dont want to be healed. since
i dont think Peace Bang wants me to hijack her blog and go on and on, but if you ask anyone in the medical field, they will tell you plenty of stories of those who want to stay

"demand the church provide resources and space for...

2005-12-08T15:47:00.000-05:00

"demand the church provide resources and space for healing."

but since We are the Church, we need to first decide how do we heal this?

-- because the Church is not just pastors, staff, and officers, but all of us. How do we as caring people help those who want to be healed, and what about those who dont?

pb2uu: demand the church provide resources and spa...

2005-12-08T14:50:00.000-05:00

pb2uu: demand the church provide resources and space for healing. Honestly, it's the one major failing of our churches that pisses me of more than any other (and the one that most drove me to to enter the ministry). We're great at welcoming the wounded in, but once they're in, it seems we'd rather let the wounded bleed and fester all over the sanctuary floor rather than attempt to heal them. We

So many of us refugees have not made peace with ou...

2005-12-08T05:09:00.000-05:00

So many of us refugees have not made peace with our religious history--it makes us cranky.

I like to think of myself as an iconoclast but today I realized that the only graven images I feel like destroying are Christian ones. Hmmm. Maybe that's not iconoclasm.

I would be very interested in further discussion of how we (the refugees) might come to peace with painful religious

Yes, UUWorld, please.

2005-12-08T00:29:00.000-05:00

Yes, UUWorld, please.

while this is the point of your topic, I would lik...

2005-12-07T14:00:00.000-05:00

while this is the point of your topic, I would like to remind folks that there are UU Christian churches.
looking at upcoming services at one church, i see sermons on "Prince of Peace: Prophets and Jesus on Peace", service of Christmas music, "Traditional Lessons and Carols with an Unorthodox Interpertation", "Spirtual Christmas" plus a couple of other non-sunday morning Christmas services

I had such a feeling of hope after GA, especially ...

2005-12-07T11:51:00.000-05:00

I had such a feeling of hope after GA, especially after hearing Burton Carley's Berry Street Address and Patrick O'Neal at the Service of the Living Tradition. It seemed that people there, at least, were fired up by the unflinching messages of hope and of spirit and of worship.

And then we come back to reality, and realize just how unrepresentative GA really is when we look at our own

Obijuan, you make sense to me, man.

2005-12-07T10:24:00.000-05:00

Obijuan, you make sense to me, man.

Amen. You need to publish that in UU World, I thi...

2005-12-07T08:56:00.000-05:00

Amen. You need to publish that in UU World, I think.

does that last post make sense? I've been term pap...

2005-12-07T00:04:00.000-05:00

does that last post make sense? I've been term papering all night.

Amenamenamen.the only thing I'll add is that we'll...

2005-12-07T00:02:00.000-05:00

Amenamenamen.

the only thing I'll add is that we'll surprise you with demonstrations of tolerance when you least expect it. My supervisor and I discussed some of the potential static that might result from introducing Advent into the congregation, and how we might respond.

On Sunday, after doing my thing explaing the season to the kids (and adults), I heard none of the potential